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김종오

08-01-08 16:12

대체로 CS21mm렌즈를 쓰시는 분들이 조금 써 보시다가
S.A. 21mm, Elmarit 21mm, Biogon21mm 등으로 옮겨가시곤 합니다.
저 또한 그렇구요. 제 경험으론 CS21mm가 암부가 취약하다고 생각합니다.
그리고 똑딱이(P&S) 이긴하지만 Richo사의 GR21도 결과물이 아주 좋습니다.
문제는 구하기가 어렵고, 중고 가격도 웬만한 21mm렌즈 가격이라...
선택은 본인이 알아서 하시는게 좋을 듯...

蛇足: 비교적 저렴한 20mm렌즈가 있습니다.
Russar MR-2 렌즈인데요 렌즈와 오리지널 화인더 까지 50만원 내외입니다.
단점은 대게의 러시아렌즈들이 그렇듯 렌즈 개별편차가 아주 크다는 점입니다.
뽑기를 잘 하셔야 합니다. 요건 또 20mm라 21mm와는 화각의 차가 있습니다.
사용례를 보시려면 http://docujay.tistory.com/ 요기 입니다.

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우영재

08-01-09 01:00

CS 21mm를 사용하고 있는 데, 저의 경우에는 단순히 싼맛에 쓴다는 것 이상입니다.
그 가격에 그만한 렌즈를 사용할 수 있다는 것도 하나의 커다란 장점이려니와 슬라이드 사용시 남색의 독특한 발색을 즐기실 수 있다면 추천합니다.
다만, 해상도나 선예도를 중요시 한다면 그닥 추천하고 싶지는 않습니다.
스캔만해도 해상도가 떨어집니다.
김종오님 말씀대로 암부에도 취약하구요, 주변부도 그닥 만족스럽지 못합니다.
궁극적으로 엘마릿이나 SA로 가실 계획이고 경제적 여유가 있다면, 바로 그쪽으로 가는 것이 정답이지 싶습니다.

제 프로필을 보시면 두물머리에서 조각배를 찍은 사진이 있는 데, CS 21mm로 찍은 겁니다.
저는 이 사진을 보고 팔지 않고 있습니다.

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김서천

08-01-09 13:13

김종오 님과 우영재 님의 조언 대단히 감사합니다.
두 렌즈들의 특성을 구체적으로 파악하는 데 많은 도움이 되었습니다.
기왕이면 나중에 두번일을 하지 않는 쪽으로 가닥을 잡는 편이 좋을 듯하군요.

두 분께 날마다 행복한 나날 되시길 기원합니다.

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최현석5

08-01-10 11:32

Rangefinderforum.com에 Tom A라는 분께서 적으신 여러가지 21mm렌즈에 대한 글입니다.
제가 여러 게시판에 올린 글인데 이곳에도 도움이 될것 같아 Copy & Paste를 해 봅니다.

아랫글을 보면 21/2,8 Asph Elmarit은 로또가 되었거나 거대한 유산을 상속 받았던지, 그리고 거대한 꾸러미를 가지고 다니고 싶으면 사라고 하는군요.. ^^

저는 그냥 취미로 사진 막 찍는 수준이데 VC21 아주맘에 듭니다.
물론 저도 로또가 되거나 거대한 유산을 상속 받으면 좀 비싼 것을 사용해 보고 싶기는 하군요. ^^
얼마전에 VC21 LTM으로 찍은 사진입니다.


아래 글에 나오는 21/4 VC 가 CS21입니다.(Voigtlander-Cosina)
참고로 Tom A라는 사람은 Canadian으로 rangefinderforum에서 꽤 유명한 사람 같습니다.

I did a quick "test" if you can call it that. I used my stash of 21's and shot a couple of rolls with each one. Mainly 100 asa films as those tend to give you a bit more information.
Here it goes:
21/3,4 Super Angulon (very late # 2.9xx xxx). Still one of my favourites, but mainly for sentimental reasons. I have had a 21 SA since they came out in 1964. Then it was a stellar lens. Very sharp centre performance, but distinct fall off in the edges. Today it is a decent lens with a 'signature" to it. center sharpness is still among the best available, but it is not up there with the rest anymore.

21/4 VC LTM: This lens was sensational when it came out. A $400 package with the finder and it was and is still a formidable lens. Yes, it is a stop slower than Leica and Zeiss's newest, but unless you are planning to do "mega" blow up's, it will serve you well. The flexibility of being able to use it on LTM and M bodies is attractive too.

21/4 P VC: This is the 21VC in a dedicated M mount. If you are strictly a M user it is a good deal, though you dont get a finder with it anymore. The aperture ring is easier to get a grip on than on the LTM mount version. Performance is the same as the LTM version which means excellent. It is a remarkably distorsion free lens - actually better than the 21/2,8 Asph from Leica in this aspect.

21/2,8 Asph Elmarit: I had one of these for many years and though I cant complain about the performance, it is BIG and rather clunky to use. Nice, even rendition, but with typical Leica Aspherical harshness to the image and rather high contrast. More distorsion than the VC 21 or the Biogon 21/4,5

Biogon ZM 21/2,8: I like the Zeiss line of lenses for several reasons. One is that, although not small, they are smaller than the Leica equvivalents and that the contrast and "tone" of the lenses is the same from the 21 up to the 50mm lenses. When you look at negatives the tonal rendition is the same across the board, only the angle of view is changing. This is quite a remarkable feat in consistency. Resolution and distortion is similar to the 21/2,8 Asph from Leica although the slightly lower contrast makes it look "softer" but I think that is deceptive and i would use either one without any hesitation.

Biogon 21/4,5 ZM: Very nice lens. It has the same tonality as the rest of the ZM lenses and based on the 20-25 rolls so far, it is up there with the best of them when it cames to resolution. Where it really shines is in the almost total lack of distortion, it is something in the order of 0,14% which is negligble for all practical purposes. Considerably smaller than the 21/2.8 ZM. Same diameter barrel, but shorter. The 46mm filter size and bayonet is the same as the 2.8 and you can use the 21/2,8 hood with it. On the Bessa R4M I prefer to use it with the 25 ZM hood instead as it prtrudes less in the R4 finder.

Biogon 21/4.5 (1957) Contax/Nikon mount: It was a classic lens in the 50 and 60's and the Biogon formula has always been the top formulation for distorsion free images (Think Hassselblad SW/SWC with its 38mm Biogon!). I remember shooters carrying a Contax or Nikon just for this lens, while everything else was Leica M! It is an ergonomic disaster, minute engravings on chrome and HEAVY and finding a hood that both worked and stayed on was a challenge.

Ricoh 21/3,5 LTM: I have one of these rather scarce lenses and mine is even in black! Good lens, but not even close to the 21/4VC. Quite a bit of fall off and a weird arrangement for setting aperture and focus. A small protruding lever for the aperture ring which keep fouling up your finger when you try to focus and usually end up either shooting stuff 1 stop over or under by mistake.

Which to pick? It depends what you want to do with it. The 21mm focal length tends to be a bit of a special event lens. Unless you are in crammed asian or european cities, it is usually too wide for street shots and it is not flattering for people , particularly if they are close to the edge of the image. It is great landscape focal length and also for "city scapes". If you do commercial work and need straight lines for architectural, either the VC 21 or the Biogon 21/4,5 would work well (i assume that if you shoot this kind of stuff, you use a tripod and most likely would be stopping down to f11 or 16 anyway). If you do interiors and you are mainly hand holding, the 2.8's would do well though I have always felt that on a 21 or wider, speed is less of a problem than even illumination and overall image quality.
If you already have the 21/4 VC in LTM mount, be happy and keep shooting. If you are looking for a 21 and are willing to spend a little look for the 21/4 P, if your budget allows a bit more look at the 21/4,5 ZM or the 21/2,8 ZM (the latter if you are a slow color film shooter where 1 stop can make a difference) and if you just won the lottery or inherited chunks of money and like to carry large. bulky objects, look at the 21/2,8 Asph Elmarit.
All of these lenses will do you well. There is not that much distinction between them for my style of shooting (mostly handheld, asa 100 to 400 bl/w processed for printing rather than scanning) so my choice comes down to ergonomics and weight as well as performance. I rarely print larger than 11x14 and with wide angles tend to shoot around f8-11 when I can.
At the moment, I have been using the 21/4,5 ZM more than any of the other, but that is also because it is new to me. I suspect that it will remain more or less welded to my R4M, but that does not mean that I will not take any of the others out for a spin. Particularly the 21/3,4 Super Angulon as it is my "flash back" lens. Tri X/M2/21f3.4 - how 60's can you get!

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김서천

08-01-11 17:27

최현석 님, 좋은 글 감사합니다.

이렇게 같은 포맷의 몇 가지 다른 렌즈를 사용해 본 경험에 따라 적은 재미있는 글을 보니 제가 판단하는데 한결 도움이 되는군요.

이곳에서 앞으로 계속 좋은 작품을 만날 수 있기를 기대합니다.

아, 그리고
rangefinderforum.com이라는 좋은 사이트를 알게 되어서 더욱 감사드립니다.

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김종오

08-01-11 17:59

제가 윗글에 언급된 구형 Biogon 21mm/4.5f를 사용하고 있습니다.
라이카용 어댑터와 렌즈를 구하시긴 힘들어도 한번 써보시기를 추천합니다.

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김서천

08-01-15 21:47

Biogon 21 + 라이카 M용 어댑터, 구하기 어렵겠지요?
어떻게 하면 좋을지... 시간을 두고 천천히 알아봐야 할 것 같습니다.
도움말씀 감사합니다.